Friday, April 24, 2009

George W. Bush on torture.

"Torture anywhere is an affront to human dignity everywhere... I call on all governments to join with the United States and the community of law-abiding nations in prohibiting, investigating, and prosecuting all acts of torture."~George W. Bush, June 2003

This goes with the below post.

We impeached Clinton for lying. Huh.

Another reason I'm no longer a Republican.

16 comments:

Chicago Audio Video said...

Are you the same guy who commented on Rivka's blog? You had some very intelligent arguments there and so I decided to look you up and want to make sure you are the same person.


David

James Wolfer said...

Yes I am.

I'm just frustrated with all of this. I'm frustrated that the Bush Administration did this.

I'm frustrated that no democrats stopped it, even though some (like Pelosi) knew about it.

TRUTH 101 said...

Nothing George W. Bush said or will say surprises me anymore.

James Wolfer said...

I know. Me neither. I voted for him in 2004. I deeply regret that decision, but most of this hadn't come out yet.

It was about a year later, in 2005, after "Mission Accomplished" when I began to have my doubts.

When a friend came back from Iraq missing a leg in 2006, I became angry.

In 2007 and 2008 when the lies of good ole boy Bush began to come out, I severed my ties with the Republican party.

TAO said...

James, 2004 was the election that got me back into the voting booth for the first time since 1976...

It was the swift boaters that did it for me. No matter what one may think of Kerry his country, our country, did award him the medals that he earned and they were his to do what he wanted with.

To me, to drag a person through the mud so disrespectfully as they did Kerry...well, enough was enough.

So, I held my nose and voted against Bush..

The Red Head said...

TRUTH 101 said...
"Nothing George W. Bush said or will say surprises me anymore.



NEWS FLASH!!!

GEORGE BUSH AIN'T THE PRESIDENT ANY MORE!

GET A NEW LINE!!

James Wolfer said...

As I said, Red, this post goes with the below post.

George W. Bush said one thing while doing another, very illegal thing.

Satyavati devi dasi said...

"Torture anywhere (to Americans) is an affront to human dignity everywhere (except in the White House)... I call on all governments to join with the United States and the community of law-abiding nations in prohibiting, investigating, and prosecuting all acts of torture (that occur to American citizens outside our borders)."~George W. Bush, June 2003

Listen To John said...

You should be frustrated at what Obama is doing instead of being frustrated at what Bush did to protect America and your ass as well.

James Wolfer said...

Hmm John, lets see. Did it really keep us "safe" under Bush? Under Bush, we had howmany US soldiers die fighting his two wars? How died on his watch during 9/11? How many died in his failure to address Katrina?

Under Obama, so far: oh yeah. An american hostage made it home safe.

Under Bush: legal memos give Bush the power to throw anyone, even US citizens, in prison without charge or warrant, essentially giving the US Constitution up.

Under Obama: Those memos are made public, evil policies reversed, and no US constitution rights are given up.

So John, why should I be thankful to George W. Bush? And just what, exactly, did he protect us from? From what I see, more Americans died under his watch then under Clinton's.

Libby Spencer said...

I'm getting really tired of the arguments justifying torture. The bottom line is, moral judgements and justifications don't mean a thing. Torture is illegal. It violates the Geneva Conventions that Reagan signed on to.

The fancy dancing that the Bush administration did with the 'legal memos' to justify ignoring the Geneva Conventions is far from settled. As the saying goes, if the Bush adminstration did nothing wrong, then they have nothing to fear from a full and transparent investigation. And that's the only way we're going to be able to put this ugliness behind us.

West Coast Grrlie Blather said...

Thanks for bringing your voice of sanity to the comments at Pasadena Closet Conservative. I can't bring myself to take her/him on--I'm just too repelled by the invective.

dmarks said...

"I'm frustrated that no democrats stopped it, even though some (like Pelosi) knew about it."

Pelosi was shrewdly maneuvering to use it as a political tool.

James' Muse said...

Thats true, Dmarks. This is why I don't think we should prosecute those who did this. We should make policy that specifically defines torture and the enemy combatant BS, gives the Constitution back to the people, and move on. If the next Republican president breaks it, THEN prosecute.

But if we do it now, it won't be in the name of justice. Prosecutions will be done in the name of partisan witch hunting.

James' Muse said...

I'm going to have to change my mind here.

We should prosecute all involved, including Bush, Cheney, & Rumsfeld.

Its like Watergate all over again.

I'll post it in a few minutes.

James' Muse said...

Maybe if Congress decides to go after Bush, Obama can pardon him, much like Ford did for Nixon.