tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post5190492847783883370..comments2023-07-24T06:06:02.896-07:00Comments on Thoughts from a loyal GOP dissenter.: We do not need to get involved in Iran again.James' Musehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/15575769532441311670noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-1425495622620359132009-06-23T16:33:04.924-07:002009-06-23T16:33:04.924-07:00Exactly. But we go beyond, as we did in Panama, Gu...Exactly. But we go beyond, as we did in Panama, Guatemala, Iraq, Iran, Afganistan, etc...James' Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15575769532441311670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-63349354379920442892009-06-23T16:09:03.866-07:002009-06-23T16:09:03.866-07:00You said:
"I'm not proposing going back t...You said:<br />"I'm not proposing going back to complete isolationism. But we should return to a bit of it and stop trying to use our military to change the world. Let's return the military to what is was supposed to be: the greatest national defense force in the world."<br /><br />Sorry but that's what we do!<br />Like they say..<br />It's a tough job, but.....<br />No one else is going to do itDebbies Choicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07046994475291405062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-5938439005676677962009-06-23T11:12:40.980-07:002009-06-23T11:12:40.980-07:00Debbie's choice: read the entire post and the ...Debbie's choice: read the entire post and the comments. You'll have your answer.James' Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15575769532441311670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-75028018878049724732009-06-23T10:51:47.709-07:002009-06-23T10:51:47.709-07:00"We do not need to get involved in Iran again..."We do not need to get involved in Iran again."<br /><br />Why not? Are we going to pick our fights or stand up for what we believe?Debbies Choicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07046994475291405062noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-77943676573788937252009-06-23T09:25:41.890-07:002009-06-23T09:25:41.890-07:00Hey James, would you do me a favor and go read my ...Hey James, would you do me a favor and go read my latest mission post and let me know what you think.<br /><br />I am trying to push some buttons and get something out there that helps/makes people think.Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16777087329254991970noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-73296718340344590272009-06-22T21:58:12.219-07:002009-06-22T21:58:12.219-07:00And no, I won't delete you here. I only delete...And no, I won't delete you here. I only delete trolls who can't rise above rants.James' Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15575769532441311670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-44229409833290923042009-06-22T21:57:52.636-07:002009-06-22T21:57:52.636-07:00Um, I actually don't talk about you to my libe...Um, I actually don't talk about you to my liberal friends, blue. Just like I generally don't bring up Shaw with you. I'm also not "kissing up." I tell them when I agree, and when I don't, I usually don't comment unless its vehemently.James' Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15575769532441311670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-54879425038426669992009-06-22T21:31:56.319-07:002009-06-22T21:31:56.319-07:00Robert Mugabe staged an election fraud in Zimbabwe...Robert Mugabe staged an election fraud in Zimbabwe at least as transparent and oppressive as the one in Iran, but I don't recall former President Bush denouncing Mugabe. And where were John McCain and Lindsey Graham when a cholera epidemic in Zimbabwe claimed thousands of lives? <br /><br />Last year, John McCain wanted to "Bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb, bomb Iran." This year, McCain can't find words enough for the same people whom last year he wanted to "Bomb, bomb, bomb, and bomb, again."<br /><br />At least Pat Buchanan got it right:<br /><br />“<i>It is impossible to believe a denunciation of the regime by Obama will cause it to stay its hand if it believes its power is imperiled. But it is certain that if Obama denounces Tehran, those demonstrators will be portrayed as dupes and agents of America before and after they meet their fate. If standing up and denouncing the Ayatollah and Ahmadinejad from 7,000 miles away is moral heroism, it is moral heroism at other people's expense</i>.”(O)CT(O)PUShttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07589336822561030860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-73244040057787400432009-06-22T21:09:51.772-07:002009-06-22T21:09:51.772-07:00Of course not, you're too busy kissing up to t...Of course not, you're too busy kissing up to the lefties at the other sites telling them how great the president is doing and how I ignore history.<br /><br />Aside from the fact that I've shown you plenty of holes in your theories.<br /><br />Iraq....we were already there, WMD's were not the only reason. Remember how we had to babysit at the request of the Kuwaitis? Even through the Clinton years? Then they violated the treaty? Go for it with the Iraq discussion. At least here, I won't get deleted for making sense.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04014273634505096181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-12961008132580216492009-06-22T18:37:07.939-07:002009-06-22T18:37:07.939-07:00I didn't want to get into the whole Iraq thing...I didn't want to get into the whole Iraq thing.James' Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15575769532441311670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-31455374374480212412009-06-22T18:36:40.700-07:002009-06-22T18:36:40.700-07:00I was being facetious.I was being facetious.James' Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15575769532441311670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-58975411987761769412009-06-22T18:14:06.880-07:002009-06-22T18:14:06.880-07:00OH....this isn't a tit for tat. You said that...OH....this isn't a tit for tat. You said that we basically run around the world policing it and disposing presidents.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04014273634505096181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-74823612921391714192009-06-22T17:55:27.060-07:002009-06-22T17:55:27.060-07:00Touche.Touche.James' Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15575769532441311670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-36417201674014666122009-06-22T17:53:24.007-07:002009-06-22T17:53:24.007-07:00So far, we haven't this decade.So far, we haven't this decade.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04014273634505096181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-71110371925127484742009-06-22T17:18:23.003-07:002009-06-22T17:18:23.003-07:00And what we do know is that we overthrew, again, a...And what we do know is that we overthrew, again, a sovereign government that was elected democratically to further our interests, which is morally wrong, which was the point of my post. We cannot keep going around overthrowing governments when we don't like how their elections turn out.James' Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15575769532441311670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-5583940368895970422009-06-22T16:53:13.076-07:002009-06-22T16:53:13.076-07:00What exactly did you want any other Sec State to d...What exactly did you want any other Sec State to do to Iran? It's a sovereign country, and Israel has taken care of them for decades.<br /><br />As far as guatemala, that remains to be seen. There is probably plenty we don't know about it other than what we know.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04014273634505096181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-75246971812382416142009-06-22T16:32:58.055-07:002009-06-22T16:32:58.055-07:00Not always, Blue. Guatemala is one example, which ...Not always, Blue. Guatemala is one example, which immediately followed Ajax. We overthrew another democratically elected leader.<br /><br />As for foreign policy, I think Obama has made some errors (see my posts about N. Korea)...<br /><br />BUT, when everyone who has served as Sec. of State, and all the policy experts on Iran say that doing nothing, for now, is the best course, then I tend to agree with them. Had they said the opposite, I would've probably disagreed with Obama's stance on this one. But so far, I think he's doing the right thing. So far.James' Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15575769532441311670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-17639128923754932012009-06-22T16:09:59.753-07:002009-06-22T16:09:59.753-07:00Then concede that perhaps we have the wrong person...Then concede that perhaps we have the wrong person at the wrong time when it comes to foreign policy.<br /><br />Iran is not a country that wants to be run as a dictatorship yet obama can't bring himself to say any words of hope to the protesters. <br /><br />True, we can't police the world, and that's not what I want to do. but, your respective perspectives on history from 1953 forward are to me skewed.<br /><br />We haven't been acting as police, only defending when asked.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04014273634505096181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-91669473021059190292009-06-22T15:50:37.795-07:002009-06-22T15:50:37.795-07:00No Blue, I don't hate to say your right, I hav...No Blue, I don't hate to say your right, I have to say there is no easy solution.<br /><br />Dude, we agree on this.Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04272431500457083818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-72885454224797280762009-06-22T15:48:18.573-07:002009-06-22T15:48:18.573-07:00And you have far too little, Blue. You seem to hav...And you have far too little, Blue. You seem to have your mind made up about him no matter what happens. You'll always criticize him (dictator et al (which is below you, man, c'mon))...<br /><br />As for "hating to say it" its more that we hate that we can't, and shouldn't, do anything about it. It sucks that we can't because it sucks that people are dying, but we can't fix everything.James' Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15575769532441311670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-6806546675056824772009-06-22T15:38:19.769-07:002009-06-22T15:38:19.769-07:00Well, I'll tell you what, dave, hop on a plane...Well, I'll tell you what, dave, hop on a plane and go over there and fix it.<br /><br />Our troops do not need to be involved.<br /><br />You hate to say it? What the hell is that? You hate it that I'm right?<br /><br />You two have too much faith in this impotent president.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04014273634505096181noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-80766611551927890522009-06-22T15:23:55.080-07:002009-06-22T15:23:55.080-07:00Dave: Same here. We can "fix" alot of pr...Dave: Same here. We can "fix" alot of problems worldwide with our military. But we should not be the global police, especially if that country won't do anything about it themselves.James' Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15575769532441311670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-67269066808036417132009-06-22T15:22:43.798-07:002009-06-22T15:22:43.798-07:00See, we agree on something! The only thing we disa...See, we agree on something! The only thing we disagree on is what should be done <i>now</i>. I think that Obama <i>is</i> doing something, just not publicly. I'll bet, as most Presidents, he's doing some stuff behind the scenes. The fact that he hasn't said anything publicly yet, and the previous secretaries of state have applauded this, as well as other foreign policy experts on Iran, makes me stop and wait. I would like to see something, too, but not if it makes the situation worse.James' Musehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15575769532441311670noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-45490502588423264402009-06-22T15:20:04.629-07:002009-06-22T15:20:04.629-07:00Blue, your call on Africa, as much as I hate to sa...Blue, your call on Africa, as much as I hate to say it, is spot on.<br /><br />Darfur is a terrible place. My heart says we can fix it.<br /><br />But unless and until the majority of governments in that area decide to put their people on the line to fix some of these problems, why should we?Dave Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04272431500457083818noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1720893923211069687.post-23413130207793906942009-06-22T15:17:05.241-07:002009-06-22T15:17:05.241-07:00I don't think that now is the proper time for ...I don't think that now is the proper time for an invasion of Iran. The time will come. Their Arab neighbors have plenty to gain by a neutered Iran. Eventually everyone will have had enough of the saber rattling Iran gives off and many, many people will hit back.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04014273634505096181noreply@blogger.com